Hazel sits down with Leo and Jess Houlding and their eldest daughter, Freya. They start with Leo’s legendary adventures, expeditions and first ascents, exploring how his mindset and approach to risk have evolved over the years. Then the focus shifts to family life - from climbing El Cap together to powder skiing in Japan - and what it means to raise resilient, curious, and courageous kids in a world that often prioritises safety above all else.
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