August 12, 2025

Episode 23: What does it take to flash El Cap? Babsi & Jacopo talk pressure, expectation, motivation, fear, failure & flow.

Author
Hazel Findlay

Photo by Barbara Zangler & Jacopo Larcher

In this episode, Hazel sits down with Barbara Zangler (Babsi) and Jacopo Larcher to learn more about their ascent of Freerider on El Capitan in Yosemite Valley. They both shared the same goal of flashing the route, however, only Babsi managed to achieve this, making her the first person to have ever flashed El Capitain. Hearing the story from both sides was interesting and unique. We discuss their motivations for climbing this route, what the road to get there looked like and what they both learned from the experience.


There is a movie about their ascents on the Black Diamond website, you can check it out here!

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